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i was just wondering the other day.what is the long term effect on running a 55 to 75 shot of nitrous on a internally stock motor?




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Well...I would imagine that if you have your engine and ecu tuned for that sort of thing, it would be okay, just like boosting on a stock motor. As long as it's tuned and you're not going overboard, then it's alright.

BUT I have no idea about the effects of nitrous systems on our motors, maybe someone with more experience can chime in? But I'm guessing that the LONG TERM effect would be the inevitable deterioration of the motor, any performance mod will sacrifice some sort of reliability to buy increased performance. Hit the juice on occasion and you'll probably be alright, hit too much and you'll blow it up?

Actually...scratch that. You got my interest so now I'm gonna do some research for ya!

Here's a post from a Nawz-Guru on the D-Series boards:

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I have been running nitrous for about a year in my 95 EX coupe- D16Z6 (89K). First I applaud u for posting and not just throwing on a kit and blowing your motor then posting asking us why u blew it. Below I have listed the steps I have taken with my nitrous along with my dyno numbers:

1. Read and do research before u buy and hook up anything. I have sat in Barnes and Noble bookstore for hours reading magazines and books. I would recommend a book called "Sport Compact Nitrous Injection" by Joe Pettitt, it can be ordered on amazon.com for $13.27, there are a few other good books out there just look in the car section. Also find all posts in the forced induction forums on here, honda-tech.com, and dserieshonda, people with your same car will tell u there experiences- good and bad with it. I researched for about 8 months before I even ordered my kit.
2. Start out small 35 shot then to 55, and if u have balls and a strong motor a 75 shot. I purchased a Nitrous Express Import Single Fogger Wet Kit. It sprays nitrous and fuel through the same nozzle and into the motor. I have never had a problem with the kit, great quality and customer service.
3. Purchase the Gen-x 2 upgrade kit it comes with a purge solenoid and tube, blow down tube(required if u race at a NHRA track), bottle heater, gauge and adapter. Good investment.
4. A few tips while spraying, DO NOT spray below 3000RPM u will have what is called nitrous backfire, with a wet kit spray u fuel into your intake manifold, at too low a rpm the velocity of air is not traveling fast enough to pull the fuel in too so it will puddle in your intake manifold and kaboom!!!!!!!! I backfired once at the track- black smoke everywhere, thought I broke something. Do not spray until redline I stop at 7000rpm on my Z6.
5. I would HIGHLY recommend buying a NX TPS switch, it only opens the solenoids at wide open throttle so u make sure you are not running lean. I also hooked up a MSD rpm acivated window switch so the solenoids will only open between 3000-7000rpm's. The MSD sends out a 12V- ground signal out in the certain rpm range. The tps requires a 12V+ and 12V- to operate so I hooked the output of the MSD to the ground of the TPS so even if I am at wide open throttle I cannot spray until the MSD box reads between 3000-7000rpm, this is a failsafe way to ensure safety for u and your motor.
6. Have your car dyno tuned to ensure your air/fuel ratio is within an acceptable range, I paid $55 for three pulls and tuning at my local shop.
7. Buy a air/fuel gauge even if it is the crappy autometer one like I have, it will tell u things u WILL want to know.
8. Buy colder spark plugs. I was running NGK ZFR6F-11 (1 step colder), they were fine for a 55 shot but melted when I went to a 75 shot. I now run NGK BKR7E (2 steps colder) they have held up fine.
9. Retard your timing like the nitrous manual says, u dont want to melt a piston (or melt spark plugs like I did) because of the high pressures, and temps. FMIDRC Racer threw a rod in his 1.5 minime block with a 55 dry Zex shot.
10. Be careful nitrous like boost is addictive u always want to turn it up a notch, but our stock motors or clutches were not meant from honda to make that much instant torque and horsepower, you will need to do some mods to reap the benefits.
11. Have a good open exhaust I run a Apexi N1 full catback, with a test pipe. It is also recommended to get a good header to let all those extra exhaust gases exit faster. I dont have a aftermarket header because I am going turbo soon and dont want to waste the money.
12. Change your fuel filter
13. Check my other posts in the forced induction forum, I have a few and gotten alot of great responses, just do a search. D-series.org helped me build my Z6.
14. I have and do still smoke mustangs and alot of other cars, people are so suprised how I pull away from them and then open my hood and they only see 1 cam gear.
15. Good luck please email me with any questions at sammydhoff@yahoo.com
Below are my dyno numbers with a 55 wet shot:
(I now run with a 75 shot but havent put it on the dyno yet)

Run #1 (Stock w/ bolt-ons) Max Power 117.8 Max Torque 99.6
Run #2 (NX 55 Wet Shot) Max Power 158.3 Max Torque 162.7

Below are my mods.

Z6 w/ stock internals
stock timing
NX 55 Wet shot
AEM short ram
pulleys
no A/C
apexi N1 catback
straight pipe


Hope that helps, you can read this and more here.



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I ran a setup EXACTLY like the quote above for like three seasons up north way back when I got my car. I had the NX kit, the NX TPS switch, the MSD window switch and BKR7Es on a "75 shot" with no problems for all three of those years.

Surely the motor will wear down faster than if you were to keep it stock. However, if you run it safe and do lots of research as Artikgrau325is just said, you should be fine for a while.

Another thing you want to get into is checking your plugs' condition frequently with a nitrous setup. This will show you signs of what's happening in there.

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Yeah that dude gave a lot of good info. U should look into emailing him


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wow thanks a bunch guys .... ive been having my doubts with nitrous but now with all that info laided out .. im gonna hit the books and do sum research ...this can be a alternate route for me and my ej8 lol..oh im not gonna be spraying like 24/7 either ... just when i need the extra pull u know .. or when some guys wanna talk crap lol




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For sure, I hope that the research and project build go well for you.



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any more questions......just ask us. We'll get ya through it.

Oh......and don't forget an upgraded fuel pump. Forgive me if it was said before. I didn't bother looking and just went by what I remember reading in the above posts.

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bjscivic Wrote:
any more questions......just ask us. We'll get ya through it.

Oh......and don't forget an upgraded fuel pump. Forgive me if it was said before. I didn't bother looking and just went by what I remember reading in the above posts.

like a higher flowing fuel pump?




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Hmmm...probably like how people usually buy the WALBRO HP 255 LPH fuel pump for their turbo setups. I'm not sure what pump you would need for a nitrous setup, but I imagine it's somewhere close to that.



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Yup yup......a Walbro 255lph standard pump is perfect. It's probably overkill for when you're not squeezing but great great great insurance that you won't be lean when on the juice.......that is ONE HUGE IMPORTANT THING to worry about when your boosting or juicing. The OEM pump is great (if working 100%) I know many people who juiced a 55-75 shot on the stock pump w/ no problems. I wouldn't personally do it though.

Lean when boosting/on the juice = One dead motor.
Rich = safe
Stoich = perfect

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